What can you tell us of Amazon’s new direct POD service, CreateSpace.com?
What can you tell us of Amazon’s new direct POD service? Many years ago I remember walking into Book Expo America in Chicago and seeing Amazon banners hanging from every girder. What was an Amazon? Within a few years, Amazon was a household word. To consumers it was an online e bookstore. To investors it was a giant black hole where tens of millions of dollars were dumped with no return on investment.
Amazon has always intrigued me. To this day, I believe that the whole company consists of Jeff Bezos sitting behind a big desk smoking a cigar, in a room with a giant computer. I’m just kidding but that is how it seems. Have you ever talked to anyone on the phone from Amazon? Didn’t think so. Any contact I have ever had with Amazon, over the years, consisted of me writing a detailed email and then receiving canned responses several days later that rarely answered the question. I think, in the end, the key to Amazon’s success so far, even in the absence of customer support lies in the question “How hard can it be?”. Customer A buys product B and supplier C stuffs it in a package and drops it in the mail. The website is a giant virtual showroom and sophisticated cash register. If you use your imagination a little, you really can picture that man behind the desk and the giant computer hitting the refresh button every once in a while and checking the bank balance at the end of the day It’s pure genius. Of course, I am sure there is more than one employee but you get the picture.
This “let the computer do it” customer service model is great for selling widgets off the shelf. Thanks to a printer named Lightning Source, it can sell books that don’t even exist prior to the cash being put in the cash register. For those of you who don’t already know, the way this works is simple. The consumer visits Amazon, the virtual bookstore and selects a book and checks out through the virtual cash register. A signal is then sent to Lightning Source to print the book from a digital file on hand on a server in Tennessee. The single book is printed and placed in an envelope with an Amazon return address and dropped in the mail. This is all done within 24 hours. Pretty neat, huh? This is POD (Print on Demand) at its best. Not all books are available POD because it’s too expensive for the publisher but if you’re the guy smoking the cigar watching the computer, it sure makes sense to have this as a goal, especially for all books where they need you more than you need them.
Now picture yourself behind that desk for a moment and ask yourself the same question you asked earlier, “How hard can it be?” You get wondering why you are paying Lightning Source to print your books when your sales are more than sufficient to warrant buying your own printing equipment. Only problem with this is how are you going to do this and stick with your “Let the computer do it” customer service policy? A few years back, Amazon took it’s first shot at this by buying a POD printer/publisher Book Surge. To this day, I don’t see the logic in that decision. Not the logic of buying a printer/publisher but buying that particular one. Several years later, Book Surge remains a non-entity in the whole POD publishing arena. I gave up trying to interview anyone for either an article or PodCast some time ago. I see their name pop up ever once in a while in the various Internet message boards usually concerning some customer service (or lack of) issue. Amazon can’t be happy with that purchase but in light of their “black hole” money pit history, there was no reason to think that they wouldn’t try it again. The market was just too large.
Sometime after the Book Surge purchase, a little Internet company called Lulu came online and showed the world how to help thousands of authors print one or two books at a time. During this time, Lulu grew from a one million to a thirty million dollar company. I don’t know if they are making any money but their system sure seems to work. Lulu has the exact same customer service policy as Amazon…. Let the computer do it, although I have a good friend who works at Lulu and picks up his phone if he’s in. The last I heard the number was somewhere around 6000 titles per week and 1.8 copies printed per title. Pretty amazing.
Enter this week’s press release that Amazon has gotten back into the POD business under the name Create Space. What is Create Space? The definition right from their website is, “is a self-service, do-it-yourself online tool that allows you to upload your ready-for-printing PDF book files and make your trade paperback book(s) available for sale online.” Sound familiar? If you visit the website, you have the feeling that you are at a “private labeled” Lulu site. The site is so similar, I decided to do a test and publish a book. My first thought was to just do a dummy book to test the system but decided, instead, to publish a real book. I have been writing this column since 2003 so I went back and compiled a collections of my articles on self-publishing and combined them into a book titled, Ask Ron – The Plain Truth About Self-Publishing. I bought one of my own Hybrid Covers, which included a word template to lay out my text and a choice of covers. I even paid the $149 for the service, which is actually the book design buy of the century.
By the end of the day, I had a press ready PDF file for my new book and was ready to “Publish”. I first went to my Thor Program (Lightning) and entered my title set-up information and uploaded my text and cover file. Based on my previous experience, my new title will be ready for printing and distribution within a couple weeks. Ready for distribution basically means that all the computers, including Amazon’s, are talking to each other and the book can be purchased through one of the participating outlets. As with all of my customers, the Thor setup was free and I only needed to pay $19.95 for the file storage for a year compared to the normal Lightning setup of $100 or so plus the cost of a proof. I sit back now and wait for the dollars to roll in.(Unfortunately almost 4 months after a sale is made but…. that’s the system)
My next step was off to Lulu. COM. I opened up a new account and entered my title information and uploaded my text and cover files. I went on to order 1 book, so I would have an idea what the final product looked like. When I went back and checked the next day, my title was displayed on their website and my order was being “Fulfilled”, whatever that means. If I hear anything more before this article is published, I’ll let you know. In total, my Lulu set-up cost me nothing and my 176 page book cost $8.03 plus a couple dollars shipping. $8.03 is a pretty high unit cost until you take into consideration I only bought one book. Two copies would have been under $20. Sure beats Kinko’s. Lulu has lots of visitors to their website so my title is out there “exposed” to the Lulu masses. I won’t buy any more at $8.00ea but maybe I’ll snag a few sales.
Now the part you are all waiting for….. my trip to Create Space. As I said earlier, on first glance it looks like Lulu. I created an account, which was easy enough. Then I went to “publish” my book. I filled in a long form and hit the send button and.,… a message that said,
We’re sorry, an internal error occurred while processing your request.
A system administrator has been notified and we will resolve this issue as soon as possible.Please click the back button on your browser or below to return to the previous page and try again.
If you would like to report this, please e-mail webmaster@createspace.com
and make sure to refer to
Problem ID: 9UFK01.Thank you for your patience.
I don’t handle defeat very well so I went right back and filled in all the information a second time and got the same thing. I emailed customer service (what an original email address… webmaster@createspace.com) but being I am a properly trained Amazon customer, I do not expect any response. I went back 24 hours later and tried again and had the same result. At this point, who knows. This newsletter doesn’t go out for another week because my son, who does the layout, is on vacation so I’ll let you know if repeated attempts are successful.
From what I can figure out, my same 176 page book will cost me around $6.65 per book plus whatever they charge for shipping so, on the surface, they are a little less expensive than Lulu.
An author can use their own ISBN or create space will assign them one of theirs. This ISBN is not transferable.
The biggest difference, which will effect the small publisher the most, is there is, if I am reading the agreement correctly, no such thing as “non-returnable” The paragraph reads:
Returns
Customers have two weeks from when they receive a unit to return it under the terms outlined in the Shopper’s Policies section of this page. For legitimate returns, we will deduct the sales credit from your account but not charge you extra fees. If we accept returns due to misrepresentation of the content of your title*, in addition to deducting sales credits from your account, we will also charge you a fee of $10 per return, plus put the title on hold and possibly take other actions including terminating your account. Please see Section 4 of the Member Agreement for additional details.
Could misrepresentation mean that you claimed your book was well written and the returner disagreed? This is one scary policy but one that all small publishers are going to probably face at Amazon in the future. The whole POD “gimmick” to this point is that sales are non-returnable. If someone returns one of your non-returnable books to Amazon, Amazon currently eats the loss. Those days appear to be coming to an end.
How is this all going to turn out? It’s hard to say. One thing for sure, Amazon is going to keep throwing money at it until it works, even if they have to buy ten more companies. Who is this going to effect? This first phase will not affect anyone other than the authors who sign up for the service. Once Amazon gets the bugs out of the system, who will it effect? My guess is that Amazon will change their current policy and start to only accept titles from small publishers that are produced through their service. Since the majority of all POD sales are to Amazon, unless Lightning Source is Amazon’s printer, they will be hit the hardest and be back where they were before Ingram changed their policy towards small publishers. (When Ingram forced small publishers to use their printer, Lightning, if they wanted access to Ingram). All of the POD Publishers will be seriously affected. Most of the sales by POD publishers which are not directly to the author or their family are to Amazon…. And Amazon non-returnable at that.
The very few POD Publishers who offer a genuine service will be OK, although they may need to expand their services even more. The venture capital driven cash machines, of which there are many, will probably end up going the way of the Edsel, and be missed by none. In the end, this will act as a sobriety checkpoint for the entire industry that services the self-publisher.
I’ll keep you posted as more information becomes available.
Thanks,
Ron Pramschufer
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August 22nd, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Great article on POD – I do traditional publishing of my works, but this is a really good article on the changes occurring. I can pass this on to my wannabe author friends as they consider what they want to do with their great American novels.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Very interesting article. Despite the fact that you provide printing services and have the potential to be biased, I thought you presented the current state fairly well. Pat Fry’s article certainly illustrates that there really is a print market for the micro publishers. One interesting note about Lulu, whe I went to look at their top sellers and compare sales standings on Amazon, they were remarkable far from the top (ranking 2,000,000). The only people making money through Lulu are their investors.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Very interesting article. Despite the fact that you provide printing services and have the potential to be biased, I thought you presented the current state fairly well. Pat Fry’s article certainly illustrates that there really is a print market for the casual publishers. One interesting note about Lulu, when went to look at their top sellers and compare sales standings on Amazon, they were remarkable far from the top (ranking 2,000,000). The only people making money through Lulu are their investors.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:49 pm
I have actually had very good luck getting Amazon to help me out with my problems (several) via email. That aside, aren’t most books returnable? Through Amazon Advantage they are, also Lightning Source. Most book buyers want that option. My concern with CreateSpace is that wholesalers will not be interested in buying those books because they get a zero to very small discount compared to industry standard.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:18 pm
I first published on Cafe Press (overpriced & inconsistent & restricted to paperback only) then moved to Lulu. I can seriously say that Lulu’s service and quality has been exceptional, both hardcover and paperback and their pricing much more reasonable. I was considering releasing my new book through Book Surge at Amazon but your article has raised a red caution flag. Thanks. You may have saved me some grief.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Very interesting. Thanks for your efforts on behalf of all us struggling wannabees.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 pm
If Amazon pulls and Ingram and demands anyone wishing to list with them go through Booksurge (which technically is the printer for CreateSpace, although the machinery is located in the Amazon warehouses), we’ll still be fine, because we used Booksurge from the beginning and still have an account.
However, I don’t see that happening for the simple reason it would negate Amazon’s goal of having every book in print available, not to mention as many of those that aren’t as there are people with copies to sell. That’s always been their “claim to fame,” and getting a foothold on the subsidy publishing/book co-op industry doesn’t seem to require they abandon it.
Not that it was easy maintaining it. Shortly after they bought the company, Amazon tried to make us sign a “publisher agreement” that was the most egregious rights grab on the face of the planet. After nearly two years, with our not sending them a single title since summer 2006, they finally gave it up.
I agree the clause about misrepresented content is a tad vague, but it does refer one to the list of materials they don’t want submitted, so that’s hardly a deal-breaker.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:42 am
As a small nitch publisher our ability to sell books has deminished to a great degree since the advent of electronic publishing. 6 years ago we would initially print and distribute 2 to 3,000 copies of any new title through a small number of wholesalers and bookstores who have literally been forced out of business. Now on any given new title we start out with under 200 copies. Obviously the cost of printing such small runs means that our cost per copy has skyrocked about 225% meaning we have to put a much heftier price tag on our books. Books that used to sell for $15 now have to go for $21.95 since there are so many now acting as “middle men” who insist on anywhere from a 55 to 62% discount. Its great that tens of thousands of authors can now sell 5 to 50 copies of their book, while countless authors who made their living writing have had to turn to other crafts or take an incredible cut in pay (if indeed they can still find a “real” publisher to handle their work).
August 27th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Ok now you have to tell where “I even paid the $149 for the service, which is actually the book design buy of the century.”
Thanks for the heads up and looking forward to a flollow up.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
As an author who self published her first book and had it printed through Lightning Source, I look back on the process and am glad I took this route. Although initially I balked at how much more per unit it would cost than offset printing, a self-published author friend of mine who had boxes and boxes of unsold inventory in her basement, insisted on this direction. Thank God she did.
My book has sold well for a book with a tightly-focused niche and Amazon has been integral to my success, not only in the U.S., but abroad. I am hoping that in developing this new system, Amazon will consider equally the needs of authors and customers. Time will tell.
August 28th, 2007 at 10:56 am
As a new author who is starting to work with BookSurge, I am looking for feedback from others who went this route. Any comments on your actual experiences so far? Thanks.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
I’d be very interested in a comparison of the two options. I think you could use both if you wanted, and Amazon will somehow figure out where the book is being shipped from and pay accordingly. Not sure how that would work but there it is.
Hopefully it won’t take too long to get a good review.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
One thing though, a 200 page b&w book seems to cost about $2+ more via Createspace.com. So it would appear you’d clear more per sale via Ron’s site.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Thanks for the valuable info.
So for a guy like me, who wants to publish a POD hardback and softcover every 9 months, who’s the best to use in your opinion?
November 20th, 2007 at 12:50 am
I want to know the best place to take my pdf file I have produced a book from and turn into first, a cd by using a reader and secondly, a dvd where as each page is “turned” via the computer or dvd player, it is narrated with sounds, music, singing and narration. Any ideas?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
We are very pleased with the CreateSpace system and have just published our 18th book with them.
As commented above, it’s true that there is no live person to speak to, but if one of their stock emails doesn’t answer your question, the matter is turned over to another one of their departments, and you do in fact receive a personal message from someone there.
The cost per book is too high for a normal margin in selling wholesale, but it any particular title does take off and “get legs,” it’s a simple procedure to switch that title over to an offset house (if you own the ISBN) and have them run off in quantity for about a third of what CreateSpace charges per book.
All in all, we have found CreateSpace to be a very good service, and intend to continue using them. It is a great way to ‘test-publish’ a book that you might have some doubts about, and see how it’s accepted.
Gene Grossman – Magic Lamp Press
January 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
If you read the Createspace return policy, you will find that only DVDs, and not books, are returnable. Peace.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I disagree with Stuart, the books are not returnable, unless damaged while shipping.
The print quality is superior and their customer support is excellent.
I understand Ron’s point of view but for someone who has just started writing books, it is a great way to get a finished product in hand for 4 $ + shipping.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:25 am
I used Createspace for my first book and am very satisfied with the process. I do not know what the author means by having to pay out $149, but I have paid absolutely nothing out of pocket for anything except the books I am purchasing at a very low price to my way of thinking. My cost for a 172 page 81/2 by 51/2 paperback with full color cover is $2.91 and I have had no problems at all with selling them at $12 each.
As for having to return books, I just do not order so many at a time and realize that it takes about two weeks to receive them so that I have a supply coming in regularly. Plus, I have books shipped directly to libraries and bookstores where I will be signing. If I do not have any signing events scheduled, then I don’t buy any books. If someone calls me and I have no books, I simply tell them to order them online.
I also like the control I get with design work. I am an art teacher and find designing my covers very enjoyable.
I plan to use them again. It has been a great experience!
June 21st, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Any up-to-date information on the viability of using CreateSpace for publishing? We published our first book with Outskirtspress and were not happy with the process.